War is Not Meant to Be Won It is Meant to Be Continuous
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Every society is hierarchical. |
Posted: 5/16/2014 5:12:58 PM EDT |
the war on some drugs or the war on poverty? |
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Been reading Orwell today? |
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That's why people want to buy more legacy fighters rather than F-22, F-35, and beyond. Ban nukes, send more young men into the grinder. Use old tech, so the "fair" war drags on forever. |
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... I'm a firm believer in the notion |
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Quoted: Use old tech, so the "fair" war drags on forever. Some of us just want to actually have fighters, and not 160 F-22s and 300 F-35s to last the next thirty years. |
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There is no instance of a nation benefitting from prolonged warfare. |
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Quoted: Sun Tzu did not live to see North Korea........ |
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who will be the "jews, Gypsies, Homsexuals, Germans, Italains, Japanese" for this go round? |
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Quoted: came here for this as soon as I saw thread title. I should prolly re-read it again. |
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I've heard this theory before; continual war is used to bleed the excess from a fruitful society so to keep the nation hungry, poor, and without. A broken society (economically, spiritually and morally) is quite a bit easier to rule than a rich, spirited and dignified one. I'm starting to believe it. |
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Quoted: Did he live in a nation with a private, outsourced, debt based, global hegemonic, fiat currency system? |
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Quoted: The conservative Christian white male, or at least there will be such an attempt. |
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Theory_and_Practice_of_Oligarchical_Collectivism#Chapter_III Scientific advance is held carefully in check, as the Party does not want to allow for any unaccounted abundance of goods, which could conceivably raise the quality of life beyond bare subsistence for the Proles. The only technological advances permitted are in mind control and genocide, the twin goals of each of the superstates. Once mind control is perfected, the superstates are free to destroy their counterparts in a theoretical single, decisive strike that precludes retaliation. Technological advancement, even in war, can be counterproductive to the goals of the Party; none of the superstates are a true threat to each other, as they all must exist in a state of permanent limited war to survive. By harnessing the hysteria of war and demand for self-sacrifice, each of the nations declare war not on each other but on their own populace, who are kept ignorant, on the brink of starvation, and overworked. Permanent limited war also allows for the Party to divert attention away from domestic concerns and their failures. Instead of promises of an "easy, safe life", Slater writes that Orwell believed that the populace requires heroic nationalism. Thus, war becomes a psychological tool to establish a kind of ironic "peace", a stasis where progress is impossible and nothing ever changes, except for the possibility of eventual global conquest. Nineteen Eighty Four was meant to be a cautionary tale, not a manual. |
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The whole thing was a lot easier when we had an enemy. I'd love to be able to get excited about American weapon tech like I did as a kid in the '80s. Nowadays all I can think about is how new weapons will be used against Americans. |
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Quoted: The conservative Christian white male, or at least there will be such an attempt. Quoted: Quoted: The conservative Christian white male, or at least there will be such an attempt. So white hispanics will be safe? Sweet! |
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Every generation throws a hero at the pop charts. . . . |
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Quoted: Aren't we aligned with them? or was it the Eurasians? I have trouble remembering since I visited Rm 101. |
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Quoted: I'm starting to believe it. It works both in macro and micro environments. Sad to see it happening again. |
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Quoted: The conservative Christian white male, or at least there will be such an attempt. Quoted: Quoted: The conservative Christian white male, or at least there will be such an attempt. Won't work. |
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Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: The conservative Christian white male, or at least there will be such an attempt. Won't work. It already is. |
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Quoted: The WASPs will be |
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Quoted: We have always be at war with East Asia. |
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War is about domination, and domination is the strongest human instinct. |
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Quoted: The conservative Christian white male, or at least there will be such an attempt. Quoted: Quoted: The conservative Christian white male, or at least there will be such an attempt. someone will be by shortly to state you have a persecution complex and are paranoid. I would have said patriotic American. If it wasn't for our warmongering, racism and greed, this world would be perfect. |
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Quoted: Nineteen Eighty Four was meant to be a cautionary tale, not a manual. This. Just think of the technological leaps brought on by the Cold War. Communication, for one, which allows the conservative message to get past the Media Oligarchy. |
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Quoted: I think it was a rhetorical question. |
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I don't think the principle of war is to keep the population starving, but rather: 1) Divide and conquer. A nation's resources may be bought at a cheaper rate whenever there is a civil war. |
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Quoted: Nineteen Eighty Four was meant to be a cautionary tale, not a manual. Quoted: Scientific advance is held carefully in check, as the Party does not want to allow for any unaccounted abundance of goods, which could conceivably raise the quality of life beyond bare subsistence for the Proles. The only technological advances permitted are in mind control and genocide, the twin goals of each of the superstates. Once mind control is perfected, the superstates are free to destroy their counterparts in a theoretical single, decisive strike that precludes retaliation. Technological advancement, even in war, can be counterproductive to the goals of the Party; none of the superstates are a true threat to each other, as they all must exist in a state of permanent limited war to survive. By harnessing the hysteria of war and demand for self-sacrifice, each of the nations declare war not on each other but on their own populace, who are kept ignorant, on the brink of starvation, and overworked. Permanent limited war also allows for the Party to divert attention away from domestic concerns and their failures. Instead of promises of an "easy, safe life", Slater writes that Orwell believed that the populace requires heroic nationalism. Thus, war becomes a psychological tool to establish a kind of ironic "peace", a stasis where progress is impossible and nothing ever changes, except for the possibility of eventual global conquest. Nineteen Eighty Four was meant to be a cautionary tale, not a manual. FIFY |
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Quoted: On some level I agree with your premise. War is a steady state though it's based on the nature of the being. The hierarchal society that you see as a driver is simply an opportunist environment that leverages this inherent violent nature. |
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Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: who will be the "jews, Gypsies, Homsexuals, Germans, Italains, Japanese" for this go round? The conservative Christian white male, or at least there will be such an attempt. So white hispanics will be safe? Sweet! Presently you can be hispanic ethnicity "regardless of race." (EEO-1 report. See 70 Fed. Reg. 71296. http://www.eeoc.gov/employers/eeo1/qanda-implementation.cfm ) Once they proclaim that rubios in fact oppress mestizos, natives and blacks in all hispanic countries because of privilige, you're "honorary" hispanic status will be withdrawn. And you will be (evil) whitey, just like the rest of us. |
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Quoted: Nineteen Eighty Four was meant to be a cautionary tale, not a manual. Quoted: Scientific advance is held carefully in check, as the Party does not want to allow for any unaccounted abundance of goods, which could conceivably raise the quality of life beyond bare subsistence for the Proles. The only technological advances permitted are in mind control and genocide, the twin goals of each of the superstates. Once mind control is perfected, the superstates are free to destroy their counterparts in a theoretical single, decisive strike that precludes retaliation. Technological advancement, even in war, can be counterproductive to the goals of the Party; none of the superstates are a true threat to each other, as they all must exist in a state of permanent limited war to survive. By harnessing the hysteria of war and demand for self-sacrifice, each of the nations declare war not on each other but on their own populace, who are kept ignorant, on the brink of starvation, and overworked. Permanent limited war also allows for the Party to divert attention away from domestic concerns and their failures. Instead of promises of an "easy, safe life", Slater writes that Orwell believed that the populace requires heroic nationalism. Thus, war becomes a psychological tool to establish a kind of ironic "peace", a stasis where progress is impossible and nothing ever changes, except for the possibility of eventual global conquest. Nineteen Eighty Four was meant to be a cautionary tale, not a manual. tell the progressive commies that. |
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Quoted: I think it was a rhetorical question. Quoted: Quoted: I think it was a rhetorical question. It was an exclamation........ |
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There are things your can get away with during a time of war that you cannot get away with in a time of peace. The .gov has been using terror as a tool to control the masses and to make sure they are the ones in control. When you add in regulations and laws the .gov has a monopoly on control and terror. |
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Quoted: Need you ask? Conservatives and christians. ETA: beat by many hours |
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Quoted: Need you ask? Conservatives and christians. ETA: beat by many hours Quoted: Quoted: Need you ask? Conservatives and christians. ETA: beat by many hours More like, who is our Goldstein? |
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